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Siezed engine?

Postby mf.smith on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:11 am

Strange as this may sound, about a month ago, I pulled my carbs and manifold off to rebuild over the winter. At that time, i did get anti freeze in the exhaust ports, but immedietely pulled the plugs, and spun the engine over to clear it. Afterwards, I sprayed lubricant into the spark plug holes, and into the exhaust ports.

Things being what they are, I had to put it up for a little over a month. Now, the engine is seized, or so it seems! Has this ever happened to anyone else? Tomorrow I am going to pull the fan, and put a breaker bar on the balancer pully, but am afraid of snapping the bolt off.

Does not seem to be the clutch as it is in neutral, and I would think by depressing the clutch pedal, it should start.

I may try putting it in gear and rocking it a bit first as I hear the clutch may freeze to the flywheel.

Anyone have similar problems, or suggestions? i've never seen an engine seize up that quickly, although it has been raining here much. Still, the car is in under cover.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby harveyp6 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:56 pm

It does seem strange that it would seize solid after such a relatively short time. If you get a socket on the front pulley retaining bolt I very much doubt you'll snap that one.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby webmaster on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:20 pm

Is it just that the starter won't turn it ?

Could be a starter problem, rather than a seized engine. Breaker bar on the front pulley will soon tell you.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby DaveHerns on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:15 pm

Put a bit of penetrating oil down the spark plug holes to help free things , just in case
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby mf.smith on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:24 pm

Never seen anything like it! 2000 TC , for sure it is seized up tight. Shot some PB Blaster down the plug and intake and exhaust ports (the world's best penetrating oil!) and even with a breaker bar with a cheater bar attached, it does not budge an inch! Going to keep trying to budge it over the next week. I tracked the time, and it sat , under cover, for 6 weeks without an intake or plugs in it. Lesson learned! Never take a rover engine down to where the atmosphere can get to it!
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby harveyp6 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:51 pm

mf.smith wrote: I tracked the time, and it sat , under cover, for 6 weeks without an intake or plugs in it. Lesson learned!


That's the problem, and it wouldn't just happen to a Rover engine. Too late now but never leave an engine with the plugs out, and if the manifolds are off seal the ports with rags. Leave it like that with a few shots of oil down the bores, turning it over by hand occasionally and it would have been fine pretty much indefinitely.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby The Rovering Member on Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:18 am

Is the starter still fitted? If so, take it off & try again, you never know your luck.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby robgee1964 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:54 am

OK don't laugh, but I've heard of people who swear by pouring coca cola (or Pepsi ;-) ) down the bores, and leaving for a few days.

I've never tried on an engine (but then I've never had one seized), but I've used it for other siezed bits and pieces.
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby NickDunning on Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:54 am

robgee1964 wrote:OK don't laugh, but I've heard of people who swear by pouring coca cola (or Pepsi ;-) ) down the bores, and leaving for a few days.

I've never tried on an engine (but then I've never had one seized), but I've used it for other siezed bits and pieces.


The Coca-Cola method is fair industry practice. It does work!
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby mf.smith on Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:24 pm

harveyp6 wrote:
mf.smith wrote: I tracked the time, and it sat , under cover, for 6 weeks without an intake or plugs in it. Lesson learned!


That's the problem, and it wouldn't just happen to a Rover engine. Too late now but never leave an engine with the plugs out, and if the manifolds are off seal the ports with rags. Leave it like that with a few shots of oil down the bores, turning it over by hand occasionally and it would have been fine pretty much indefinitely.


Done it many times in the past, and never had this happen. Never happened to a Chevrolet, Buick, AMC, or Ford engine, especially being inside under cover , not outside! In any case, will try the breaker bar plus cheater again tonight, and for the next week. We shall see how penetrating oil does.

Never heard of the Coke thing, but I guess it can't hurt! Either is preferable to a new boat anchor! The reason I say that is I have a parts car, but the parts car itself is very restorable if i don't have to use too much from it! Two rovers is better than one!
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby DaveHerns on Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:20 pm

It's probably the antifreeze in the water which has caused it to be extra corrosive
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby mf.smith on Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:22 am

DaveHerns wrote:It's probably the antifreeze in the water which has caused it to be extra corrosive


Very well could be. So far it isn't moving a millimeter. On the bright side, I know two of the valves are in great shape as they are holding the penetrating oil just fine! Also, the piston bores are now filled quite well with penetrating oil. Put more in tonight and can hear the splashing!

Of all the numb skulled things to do!

Isn't the starter holding it, may try the coca cola next week!
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby herts2000 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:53 pm

poor diesel in the plug holes and leave to soak for a couple of hours then turn it over with a good battery with the plugs still out and hopefully that will free it. Then change the oil and filter before re-fitting plugs and fire it up,
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby DaveHerns on Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:31 pm

Have you tried turning the engine backwards ?
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Re: Siezed engine?

Postby mf.smith on Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:46 pm

Happy to respond that the PB Blaster worked! Freed the engine up, and was able to crank it with ease by hand. Thanks to all who posted with suggestions. Actually, I was at first unable to turn the engine in either direction, but after the chemicals did their work, I was able to spin it backward. Once that was done, it turned forward easily enough!

So happy, I broke out my Rover T shirt to wear!

Now I start putting the rebuilt carbs back on, and hopefully, the old girl is on the road for the first time in almost a decade.
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